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Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterus Print E-mail
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Tuesday, 31 March 2009 22:30
Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant. Baltimore, MD, USA. Val Smith [N1] is a forty-year old, male to female post-operative transsexual who is pregnant as the result of recent advances in neurobiology and the use of stem cells to grow viable human organs for use as a replacement for failing organs or the insertion of new ones to correct physical errors that occur during fetal development.

Scientists and doctors have used stem cells have been used to grow new kidneys to replace failing ones, new hearts to take the place of dying ones, and sexual genitalia when cancer has taken the old ones.


Ms. Smith, a woman born with Harry Benjamin Syndrome (Obsolete — HBS or “classic transsexuality") is the recipient of both ovaries and uterus. After years of struggling with her sexual identity before being diagnosed with HBS, Smith underwent Sex Reassignment Surgery (SRS) five years ago in Scottsdale, Arizona. Since then, she has been legally female, a fact her Driver’s License, U. S. Passport, and California birth certificate so indicate.

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But she was unable to have children until now.

Smith defended her right to have a baby, saying that she “has a right to a biological child.” In an exclusive interview with Oprah Winfrey, Smith said that her lifelong desire to have children motivated her to have working female reproductive organs [N2] implanted in her body.
I opted to have my stem cells used because I wanted to have a child. I see pregnancy as a process that fully defines me as a woman. [N3]

Doctors at John Hopkins said that
Although people’s perceptions may be challenged, they have to realize the state of science and the medical art. If Ms. Smith was not born with HBS, would anyone question her right to have new ovaries and uterus implanted in her body to replace ones removed by a hysterectomy? [N4]

Smith’s obstetrician indicated that both mother and fetus are doing well and he anticipates a normal birth in the last week in December.

Doctors at John Hopkins, working with researchers at the California Institute of Technology and John Varley University, developed the technology that makes the implantation of new organs possible.

Stem cells thrive in segments of well-vascularized tissue temporarily removed from laboratory animals. Once the cells have nestled into the tissue’s nooks and crannies, the so-called “bioscaffold” can then be seamlessly reconnected to the animal’s circulatory system.

The new technique neatly sidesteps a fundamental stumbling block in tissue engineering: the inability to generate solid organs from stem cells in the absence of a reliable supply of blood to the interior of the developing structure.

Stem cells in the tissue are induced to become internal, living factory of healthy, specialized cells churning out proteins missing in people with conditions such as hemophilia or diabetes and are now used grow entire transplantable organs such as the uterus and ovaries implanted in Smith.

After Smith went public [N5], she has received death threats, and thousands of hateful comments, many of which still litter the Internet. She continues to receive anonymous hate mail.

Smith and her husband have since retreated to a quiet life in the Shenandoah Valley in Virginia and are rarely seen now in public, keeping their blinds drawn and monitoring surveillance cameras that surround their property.

Smith says she won’t fear rule their lives and she feels they are a traditional family.
We are a man, woman and child. It's ironic that there was so much publicity. At the end of the day, we're just a family, just the same as anyone else.

I just wish people would be more tolerant to different types of families. I want everyone to know that we love each other and we will love this baby.
[N6]

Notes[N1] Michelle Valentina Smith née Michael Valentine Smith.

[N2] Ovaries and uterus.

[N3] Michelle V. Smith on Oprah.

[N4] CBS Nightly News.

[N5] Oprah Winfrey, Ellen, Two and a Half Men, CSI, Survivor, Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson, et al.

[N6] Smith, interview in L’Osservatore Romano.
FundingThe initial research was supported by grants from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the National Institute of Biomedical Imaging and Bioengineering (NIOBIOB).
Contributors Hopkins collaborators on the research include postdoctoral scholars Thomas Paul Jefferson, MD, Edward McChang, MD, Hugh Bonillas, MD, and L. J. Thompson, PhD Neurobiological Engineering, John Varley University, Farside Station, RM.
CitationEngineering of reproductive tissues using autologous microcirculatory beds as vascularized bioscaffolds for organ construction. Thomas P. Jefferson, Edward McChang, Robert G. Bonillas, L. J. Thompson. TANSTAAFL 2048; 23(3): 01042009. doi: 10.1096/apr.01.fo.ols.08-114868.

Abstract

Classic tissue engineering paradigms are limited by the incorporation of a functional vasculature and a reliable means for reimplantation into the host circulation. We have developed a novel approach to overcome these obstacles using autologous explanted microcirculatory beds (EMBs) as bioscaffolds for engineering complex three-dimensional constructs. Based on this approach, we have successfully cloned ovaries and uterus from the stem cells of a forty year old post-operative woman born transsexual who wished to become pregnant. EMBs consisting of an afferent artery, capillary beds, efferent vein, and surrounding parenchymal tissue are explanted and maintained for 24 h ex vivo in a bioreactor that preserves EMB viability and function. Given the rapidly advancing field of stem cell biology, EMBs were subsequently seeded with three distinct stem cell populations, multipotent adult progenitor cells (MAPCs), and bone marrow and adipose tissue-derived mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs). We demonstrate MAPCs, as well as MSCs, are able to egress from the microcirculation into the parenchymal space, forming proliferative clusters. Likewise, human adipose tissue-derived MSCs were also found to egress from the vasculature and seed into the EMBs, allowing viable natural fertilization of the subsequent ova. We further demonstrate that MSCs can be transfected to express a luciferase protein and continue to remain viable and maintain luciferase expression in vivo. By using the vascular network of EMBs, EMBs can be perfused ex vivo and seeded with stem cells, differentiating direction into neo-organs or transfected to replace failing organs and deficient proteins.

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# Astounding Story! . . .Joann Prinzivalli 2009-04-01 00:38
but I thought her name was Valentina Michelle Smith (see Note 1). I'd suggest expanding your treatment, lessening the parody aspect somewhat (or not, that's up to you) and submitting to Analog (if you haven't already). But don't wait too long, as I actually expect something along these lines to develop within the next 20 years - many of the components for this sort of treatment are already in development.

(On a personal note, I have finally with the help of my doctor found a diet (South Beach) that is working - with the side effect of blood sugar now being under control for the first time in over ten years, and I am now only 66 pounds (and counting down) away from my surgery letter! The weird thing is that for me, South Beach diet isn't a big change from my previous eating habits and regular potatoes - adding greek yogurt, beans and nuts, and subtracting most refined wheat products, and severely limiting pasta, rice, peas (yes, this description is oversimplified) . I can fill my chocolate craving with a breakfast blender smoothie composed of Soy Slender chocolate soymilk, Chobani greek yogurt, a squirt of Stop&Shop diet chocolate syrup and a half tsp of instant coffee and six ice cubes, or with an occasional dessert of 60 cal sugar-free Jello Dark chocolate cup with a sprinkling of almonds (reminding me of a Hershey bar with almonds . . . ) For the first time I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, and that is not an "April Fool."
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# One other thought . . .Joann Prinzivalli 2009-04-01 00:45
I wouldn't expect a normal vaginal delivery be anticipated unless the biological tissue engineering included the full mullerian duct system (i.e., I would suggest a modification to the story that would also involve replacing the protagonist's original surgical vagina with a biologically-gr own model, as well as ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus and cervix) - but I bet that's what was done, you just didn't point it out in the brief article.
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# Cathryn 2009-04-01 04:56
Hmmm, you forgot to add that Michael was from Mars, but now Michelle is from Venus. Stranger in this Strange Land
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# Victoria 2009-05-15 11:31
Why is this the only instance of this I can find on the internet? You would think this would be all over the blogs and news. What gives?
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# Looks like April Fools day came early last year.Hontas 2010-03-23 16:47
And it did fool some people. If that really happened it would make international headlines.
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# April Fool Come Early?Sharon S. Gaughan 2010-03-23 22:57
It arrives right on schedule every year, albeit offset by whatever time zone one might be in.

Who knows, it may arrive again this year. We will have to wait and see.
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# Pamela Dunn 2010-03-26 13:52
I await for that grand day with all my skeptic filters down around my ankles and eyes open wide in wonder.

Pamela
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# UnconfirmedSweetbrandigirl2004 2010-08-13 01:15
As of yet I have been unable to confirm any of the referances you give in this piece, neiher CBS news or Oprah brings backs any mention of this person
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# Confirmed: this is a jokeSharon S. Gaughan 2010-08-13 01:28
Please read the piece and other comments very carefully.
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# What is this?Nicole 2012-07-28 08:27
Is this some kind of joke or is this real? I want to have the ability to get pregnant!
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# RE: What is this?Sharon S. Gaughan 2012-07-28 17:21
Quoting Nicole:
Is this some kind of joke or is this real? I want to have the ability to get pregnant!

Please read the piece and other comments very carefully.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusNicole 2012-07-28 08:28
Why would people be so mean to us. We can not help what we are!
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusPamela 2012-07-28 14:01
Quoting Nicole:
Why would people be so mean to us. We can not help what we are!

Have you FAILED to read the other comments that this was an APRIL FOOLS JOKE? That's NOT "being mean" to you, it is poking at those that think being a woman means having to bear children in their own womb. I AM a woman, I HAVE been female in brain since birth, thanks to modern surgery, I now have a body to match my brain. That's quite a step.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusSharon S. Gaughan 2012-07-28 17:21
Quoting Nicole:
Why would people be so mean to us. We can not help what we are!

Please read the piece and other comments very carefully.
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# It's difficult enough to write satireLisa J Thompson 2012-07-29 14:50
without having to announce that what you have written is humor with a point to it. It's like having to underline the punch line so everyone will know when they are suppose to laugh. Or fattening Irish babies for the English table when everyone knows that the Brits would just overcook them and ruin everything.
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# RE: It's difficult enough to write satireLisa 2012-12-09 02:23
Quoting Lisa J Thompson:
without having to announce that what you have written is humor with a point to it. It's like having to underline the punch line so everyone will know when they are suppose to laugh. Or fattening Irish babies for the English table when everyone knows that the Brits would just overcook them and ruin everything.


How would you like it if someone wrote your dream as a `satire' peice, only to find it be a joke... You see it you get all exicted, you start ot tell poeple... then :( as always, your life is a joke. Thanks a lot, keep up the hurtful writing.
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# This made me cry, is not funnyLisa 2012-12-09 02:17
This made me cry when I found out it wasnt real. I want to be able to have my own kids very much!

This post should really be taken down... I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants children and was fooled by this trash.

Seriously: TO the writers: This is mean, and hateful. Please take it down. Our dreams are not just an `April Fools' joke for you to laugh at.

This was my first and last time to this site. Let this comment stand as a warning to any women out there: Dont read this, you'll only get hurt.
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# RE: This made me cry, is not funnyvanessa 2013-04-08 02:00
I did the same thing. This is just cruel. Our lives are already a joke enough as it is without this kind of crap to help us feel worse. Is it any wonder that our suicide rates our so high when people do things like this to us knowing how much we go through as it is?
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# Check YourselfSharon S. Gaughan 2012-12-09 13:00
Despite the obvious source of the most recent comments, I will respond as though something serious has happened.

Once again, someone wanders into the comment thread for a satirical piece and reacts to satire as a hateful personal attack. Lighten up! We all need to laugh at ourselves once in a while.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusPamela 2012-12-09 16:09
Some are not too bright and "think" that bearing a child would make them a woman; How sad. They probably believe in the tooth fairy and the Three little pigs too.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusSharon S. Gaughan 2012-12-09 17:27
Quoting Pamela:
Some are not too bright ...

Even more, the satire was directed at post-ops like us. And I am not offended.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusvanessa 2013-04-08 01:58
This isn't satire, this is just cruel. It's not funny. It's not ok. For some of us it's not a matter of "making us a woman" it's a matter that we deserve the same abilities as other women and it's natures cruel joke that we have to go through any of this [deleted] at all.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-01-05 18:17
There have been transplants of ovaries and uterus in transsexuals.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusSharon S. Gaughan 2013-01-05 18:44
To date there is no documented case of effective ovarian and/or uterine transplantation in any person born transsexual.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-15 21:42
There certainly IS documented cases of successful ovarian transplantation in transsexuals. This was started by Drs Xia and Chuanmin Wang in Beijing China.
It isw also in peer reviewed journals and in Fang Fu Ruan's book chapter 7.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusPamela 2013-03-16 03:19
Well Michele
I see that you are still as gullible as ever.
Boy, Id REALLY believe anything started in China and reviewed in Fang Fu's book. It's "SURE" to be true.
Would you like to buy a nice bridge in the Gobi Desert?
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusSharon S. Gaughan 2013-03-16 07:16
Quoting michele:
There certainly IS documented cases of successful ovarian transplantation in transsexuals.

I repeat my statement: "To date there is no documented case of effective ovarian and/or uterine transplantation in any person born transsexual."

If you believe there is such documentation please provide the reference(s).
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-16 14:50
International Encyclopedia of Human Sexuality (General editor Robert T Francouer Section on China editor Fang Fu Ruan Chapter 7 Gender Conflicted Persons. Book is online We find-
The problem is not a lack of appropriate surgical techniques and facilities. In fact, both general plastic surgery and such precise surgical techniques as reimplantation of severed fingers are very advanced in China. Dr. Xia, in the Plastic Surgery Department of the Third Hospital of Beijing Medical University, has successfully operated simultaneously on a male-to-female transsexual and a female-to-male transsexual with mutual exchange and transplantation of ovaries and testicles; this surgery took nineteen hours
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-16 17:51
The findings were published in this journal.
1st page is free.

journals.lww.com/.../...
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-16 18:13
I only have the 2nd pg hard copy. It continues with ***Subsequently , the testis fibrosed and gradually became hard and small. At the same time its function vanished.The other transplants are still alive and funcioning well.*** The authors state that the ovaries have presently (as of pujblication) survived 1 year and that ***Without application of exogenous hormones, the patients tend to develop to the desired gender by endogenous hormones from the transplants.***
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusPamela 2013-03-18 02:31
Strange; MOST implants from a foreign source require massive doses of various drugs to prevent rejection of foreign tissue. Take a look at what heart transplant patients have to take and how little time they actually have in the long run.I would also suspect that the large number of connections for blood supply would also make it less than viable.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-23 22:27
The number of connections for the ovary makes it very simple when oompared with most other organs that they transplant. At least in the paper a transsexual who became female
had the ovaries functioning for a year at publication and they feminized her body.
I assume they ovulated. I do not know how long after the publication that the ovaries kept functioning. If I could have functioning ovaries for a year I would go for it. I do realize that it is unusual to have ovaries for the purpose of feminization of one's body.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusSharon S. Gaughan 2013-03-24 13:34
Aside from the erroneous science in the Chinese study you cited, the reported work has not been replicated, nor is there a longitudinal followup available.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-24 14:10
There is not eroneous science in that paper.
It is also not a research paper so there is really no need to replicate it. It is just a report on a procedure that they did. Longitudinal reports of reports on transsexual surgeries and so on are not that informative since so many transsexuals go on wit their lives.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-24 14:13
When I said that so many transsexuals go on with their lives I meant that lots of transsexuals could care less about participating in a longitudinal study
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# MicheleSharon S. Gaughan 2013-03-24 17:03
As amply demonstrated over the years, I am very much on the side of suitable exploration of alternatives for people born transsexual. Also, I am strongly in favor of rigorous scientific investigation.

But wanting something to be true and effective does not make it so. You have chosen to bring up a report from 1994 that caused some interest at the time, but has failed to gain purchase in the medical community. There are several reasons for this.

(1) The initial report of the work by Xia et al was mentioned in lectures by Dr. Fang-fu Ruan, a physician and medical historian who specializes in sexology, erotica, and oriental hstory.

(2) A 1994 note appeared in the Correspondence and Brief Communication section of the journal Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery. The author was a third party who used the forum to alert colleagues to the existence of the initial case report.

(3) The Chinese study did in fact contain erroneous science. Even if we assume the transplant attempts were actually made, the methodological errors are plain. They included avoidance of the larger endocrine context, undocumented pre-surgical analysis of adrenal activity, inadequate serum baselines, episodic tracking of immunosuppresan t variations, and related matters.

(4) Whatever the reasons, there is no report that a longitudinal followup of the four patients was conducted. The reasons could be quite legitimate but not doing so hampers assessment of outcomes -- especially the significance of the reported rejection events and detailed information on function and survival.

(5) There are no reports that the surgical procedure under discussion has been replicated. Thus, comparative studies are unavailable.

(6) The report was largely discounted by professionals, but gained public notice when it was circulated among well-meaning but over-enthusiast ic laypeople who overinterpreted the implications.

Cross-sexual transplantation of human gonads in transsexuals. Hage, J. Joris M.D., Ph.D. Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery 1994; 94(3): 564-565. PMID 8047614

journals.lww.com/.../...
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# RE: Michelemichele 2013-03-24 17:54
Sharon, your statements are not correct. First you wrote "To date there is no documented case of effective ovarian and/or uterine transplantation in any person born transsexual"
I have provided you evidence that in fact there
is documented case in Plas Rec Surg. that the case DID occur and that the authors did write they had SUCCESSFULLY done the ovarian transplant operations. Furthermore, the success was not only in the transplantation but the EVIDENCE provided in the hormonal changes of the FUNCTION of the ovaries for at least one year. Further they state that the patients feminization is based upon the ovarian tranbsplants. Your statement is invalidated. You have no evidence that because Dr. Fang Fu Ruan reported it that his reporting had any adverse effects on the way the report wa received. (PS-he was not the first to report on it). Next, it does not matter that the Chinese article was not translated but that inatead a summary was published in English. The purpose was to summarize the findings-not to reprint or translate an article that was in Chinese. Just because a summary does not have all the details of this operation does not mean that there are errors in the summary. A video of actual footage of the procedure was presented at International Congress on Gender, Cross Dressing and Sex Issues Feb. 24-26 in Van Nuys, CA sponsored by Cal State Northridge Center for Sex Research. Dr. Xia presented there and you can still get the proceedings and a video. Ovarian transplants were still functioning. The only criticism in the round touble discussion is that it is not worth transplanting and using anti-refection drugs when hormonal replacement can do the job.
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# RE: MicheleSharon S. Gaughan 2013-03-24 18:15
The reported surgical event(s) have not been replicated. From a medical research perspective, the work is not fully documented without replication (among other factors).

Also, I did in fact read the source article.

I do not resist your claims lightly. It is just that to do this at all it is important to do it well, to be thorough, and proliferate the results.

I do a lot of work in bioscience and medical research. This piece does not pass muster. I wish it did, and perhaps the successor work will improve the situation, but we aren't there yet.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-24 19:02
Who said it is research study? It is a CLINICAL REPORT that DOCUMENTS that a clinicsal procedure did take place and described it. You should know that clinical report is a clinical report and this is what it is. You are wromg. The transplantation of ovarian transplants in a transsexual DID occur. There was no rejection of the ovaries after one year follow-up in at least one patient. The transplanted ovaries DID feminize the transsexual. There was also another summary published a few months later in the same journal.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../7809245

If you want more details there is a publication in Chinese. But again this is just a clinical report not a research study. But the transplantation , the lack of rejection for at least one year with the immunosupressiv es and the feminization DID occur. It does not say that what they did should even be researched or tried again. It is just a medical report and documented in print and in med video.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusSharon S. Gaughan 2013-03-24 19:18
Well, I have tried to be fair.

In any case, I think this thread has outlived any usefulness it ever had, given that the comments have wandered away from the original satirical article.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusPamela 2013-03-25 01:22
Despite all her hysterical screeches; It still sounds like a load of bull from someone that is desperately hoping something like this could be true. I strongly suspect its a person that would desire this operation to the point that they are susceptible any scam or far fetched report lacking in actual medical data.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-25 03:53
The reports are accurate and they have actual medical data which are published in a respectable medical journal. I have seen the presentation at the CSU symposium. If you think that it is staged or not true then you need to provide proof-not what you "strongly suspect" or think "It still sounds like".
The readers of this forum can just check the references themselves. PS- I did indicate that I would like to have functioning ovaries
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusPamela 2013-03-26 03:34
Believe what you want; As Sharon said; "
"The reported surgical event(s) have not been replicated. From a medical research perspective, the work is not fully documented without replication (among other factors)."

Now you claim more exposure for it BUT with no further replication of the operation.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-26 04:28
You have not provided contradictory data or facts. I will believe the facts. They have not ever been rescinded by the authors. I also believe what was presented at the conference. That is not more exposure. Again, as I told Sharon, this was not a research study but instead a medical report.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusPamela 2013-03-27 02:37
And you have provided no more truth or evidence.
Sad; Believe what you want; the story lacks credibility.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-27 03:09
The references that I have provided do contain more truth and evidence than you are
providing. It is not s story. It is a credible medical report in credible reputable journals by credible reputable physicians. I will believe them over you.
It is sad that you have not presented facts but just a blatant dismissal of procedures that have been documented in med journals and conferences.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusPamela 2013-03-28 01:23
So,you are a "true" believer; with not much evidence and some how I doubt that the Chinese doctors are "reputable physicians" and that it is a credible medical report when it has NOT been repeated, GO ahead and believe,Some people believe in Fairies, Mermaids and Leprechans.
I dispute your "facts" and what you call reputable.
Now go off and have a good time;
Bless Your Heart.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-28 02:42
Pamela, You are just not believing in the facts. 1) Transsexuals were reported in reputable journals to have ovarian transplants and footage of said procedure was presented at conferences 2) The authors are licensed/certif ied specialty physicians 3) The ovaries feminized the transsexuals bodies 4) At follow-up after one year the ovaries were not rejected. You can dispute away. But they are facts. You want another group to repeat the procedure. Fine. But the procedure and findings did happen. Bless you too.
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone UterusPamela 2013-03-28 18:49
AHHH , Bless your little heart
believe what you want; The more you screech the more I doubt its true;
But you have a good day now you hear ?
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# RE: Male to Female Post-Op Pregnant: Stem Cells Used to Clone Uterusmichele 2013-03-28 19:14
Bless you too dear. But I am sure that my posts won't sway you either way. Each reader
will just need to read it and decide.
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# Time to end thisSharon S. Gaughan 2013-03-28 20:40
Please, let's end this conversation as it is does not serve a productive end. If it doesn't end, I will block further comments.
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# As usual ...Sharon S. Gaughan 2013-04-08 05:41
Some people just do not read, nor understand. This site was run by post-ops who do in fact understand. Put an article like this in the context of the entire site and the offended might have a different view.
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