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Send In Those Clown Questions, Bro Print E-mail
Opinion - Global Warning
Lisa Jain Thompson   
Sunday, 17 June 2012 09:00
Clowns in action.Fairfax, VA, USA. I await the clown car with my daily hate mail once transgender activists get hold of my central point and can't resist asking their typical clown questions.

But to get started on this, we need to review my Sicilian heritage. Yes, that is what I just said. Bear with me on this.


Sicilian women often like to joke about the obsession of their local men with foreign blondes; and a smokin' black-haired, dark-eyed Sicilian girl is referred to as a mora (or Moor), while a redhead is a normanna (or Norman) — catchy terms widely used since the Middle Ages.

How Close To Africa Is Sicily Anyway?

Whiteface Clown.We normally don’t ask the question that is hiding openly in the middle of the room although we Sicilians proudly admit our ancestry:
Sicanians, Elymians, Sicels, Phoenicians, Greeks, Carthaginians, Romans, Vandals & Goths, Byzantines, Arabs, Normans, Swabians, Angevins, Aragonese, Albanians, Spanish, North Africans, and Jews (and, more recently, the French, Germans, Italians, and Americans).

Well maybe not all of it. Some things we don’t talk about much, even if the rest of Europe does. We don’t talk about the “N” word so commonly applied to us by white Europe. My mother would get angry if I brought the subject up. She thought, I think, that it was a clown question, especially after I suggested that Sicily was just a hop, skip and a bed from Ethiopia.

My grandfather always told my kids to remember that they were Sicilian, not Italian. I try never to disagree with what my grandfather told me. My blood is mora, my skin a reddish olive (made more so by the bit of Iroquois that flows within me).

Want to make something of it?

Do You Believe In God?

First, why should anybody care? How does anything I might do affect the eternal salvation of your soul? What goes on between you and your god should stay between you and your god. Or do you get brownie points with him or her if somehow you “save” me? Gold stars, perhaps.

What sort of grade school religious system is that? If you think god is keeping score, you have limited him to being a queen bee adolescent girl gossiping, tracking and deciding who is in and who is not in the proper high school cliques. I do not want to be a member of that group. Never have, never will.

But what the hell do you mean when you say God? Seriously. Are you talking about Zeus? Yahweh? First Causes? The Big Bang? Or some media friendly old man played by George Burns and Morgan Freeman in the movies? If you are talking about some cosmic, all powerful loco parentis, I am not a five year child. If you are talking about a Jewish rabbi whose followers thought was the messiah, I would like to meet him and find out what he really said.

But the question itself is a gotcha, designed to catch you one way or the other, prove a polemical point and draw up sides. Any answer given says nothing about a god’s existence. Christianity and Islam are good at dividing into sects and sub-sects based on minimal theological distinctions that become the raison d’etre for perpetual hatred and destruction of human life.

I am a better Christian than the current Pope, but then so was Abraham Lincoln and Sister Teresa. It doesn’t take much. John XXIII was a better Christian than all those who have followed him.
There are these two young fish swimming along and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says Morning, boys. How's the water? And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes What the hell is water? [Cited by David Foster]

Are you a Republican or a Democrat, a liberal or a conservative, a progressive or a reactionary, a socialist or a capitalist, a believer or a non-believer?

I do not accept your or. The grammar of your sentence structure forces the answer into a dichotomy that does not exist in nature or politics. Life consists of series of buts and then you are dead. Nothing is absolute, everything is conditional. Do not confuse grammatical structure with reality. As John Adams said the abuse of words has been the great instrument of sophistry and chicanery, of party, faction, and division of society. I will not allow you to clownishly word me into a foolish answer. I am an American by birth, British Isles, Sicilian and Iroquois by heritage, a certified, dues paying member of the human species and a bipedal primate free woman who is more than able to think for herself.

Your menu of choices limits my freedom and my liberty. I will not and cannot answer your clown question. We are not choosing sides for a kickball game at recess.

What is the difference between Transgender and Transsexual?

The question is nothing but another clownish gotcha. If you do anything but deny there are differences between being transgender and born transsexual, you are immediately charged with being hateful, hurtful, elitist, and probably a Christo-Fascist and Republican. So send in the clowns, I intend to answer the question. I do not fear the marching ids of the transgender mob. They are filled with social design polemic and carry no scientific weight.

While both Transgenders and Transsexuals are classified as mammals, think of them as two distinct orders.

Transgender is a general term applied to men and women who vary from culturally conventional gender roles. They transgress the societal expectations of how a man or woman should properly talk, dress, and act.

A transgender accepts — prefers even — the physical body and genitals with which they were born. All they wish is to live in a life role other than the one society expects, they do not wish to change their physical sex. Often they are opposed to the mammalian sexual binary that the vast majority of us are born male or female (with very few of us born ambiguous).

Many seem to believe that male and female are artificial constructions designed to oppress them. Some merely want to dress and live in the societal role of the other sex. Go for it. Most of us don’t really care. Some merely prefer to be sexually unconventional and provocative. So be it. Whatever rings your chimes.

Once a transgender always a transgender, but they aren’t transsexual, despite the continual stretch of transgender imaginations.

Transsexual applies to those men and women born with the knowledge that that their brains are a different physical sex from the genitalia they arrived with in the world. That is, transsexuality is an infrequent but common variant of human existence.

A transsexual is driven to bring their body into conformance with their actual physical identity through Sex Reassignment Surgery (SRS). Make-up, clothes, or acting out cannot replace the overriding need for surgical correction.

After surgery, a man or woman born transsexual are no longer transsexual. They are simply ordinary women and men who had a transsexual history. Obviously, transsexuals buy into the general human sexual binary (ever-mindful of the physical intersex exceptions). Why else would one have surgery if sex is merely a construct as the transgenders believe?

After all, and despite deliberate RadFem conflations, sex and gender are two different things. Summarily put, transgender is all about societal roles and expectations; transsexual is physical sex and bringing the body into conformance with the inner being. Never the twain shall meet.

Have said all that, I await the clown car with my daily hate mail.

Ms. Lisa Jain ThompsonMs. Lisa Jain Thompson is a Co-Founder & Principal of TS-Si. She also serves as a Contributing Editor and columnist for the TS-Si website. She maintains another site, StarPoet.com, for her poetry and literary works.

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# The only clown is youCarolyn Ann Grant 2012-06-17 02:50
Did it not occur to you that you're the clown? And an inept one, at that.

You ramble on and then try to be cute by sneaking in a derogatory definition for an entire group! One you know nothing about, I'd have to guess based on your silly, trivial "definition".

Well - you wanted to get a rise out of someone. Was this what you had in mind? :-)
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# Wow, that was a suprise Ms. Grant.Lisa Thompson 2012-06-17 03:32
You certainly rose to the occasion with wit and elan.

But I don't need to take advice from a man whose blog slogan is Quote:
Motorcycle mania and a man in a dress. What's not to like?
carolyn-ann.blogspot.com/

Thank you Carol for your interest in Transsexuality.

And for adding your witness to my point: Quote:
If you do anything but deny there are differences between being transgender and born transsexual, you are immediately charged with being hateful, hurtful, elitist, and probably a Christo-Fascist and Republican.
Again I thank you for lucid comment.

BTW you don't ride with the Angels or the Pagans, do you?
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# Carolyn Ann Grant 2012-06-17 03:54
I didn't provide any advice to you, Lisa. If I were to, however, it would be "try reading, for a change". You know: look at the words on the page, understand the way they are placed and derive meaning from the words and their structure. After that, I'd suggest "try thinking". Instead of just being a knee-jerking hypocrite.

And I didn't call you any of those labels - I simply said you *are* the clown. (And in this one I imply that you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer and that you're a hypocrite who favors knee-jerk emotional appeals rather than considering that you don't know a damn thing about being transgendered, but are willing opine regardless of your own ignorance.) As far as I can tell, you're merely aspiring to be hateful and hurtful; keep up the effort! I'm sure you'll accomplish your task of being an abject misery. We all need goals, after all.

No, I don't ride with any group. Why do you ask? Are you aspiring to be a motorcyclist once you've taken the training wheels of your tricycle?
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# oh snap!Lisa Thompson 2012-06-17 04:08
I have been mortally pricked by thee

Thy wit is a very bitter sweeting; it is a most sharp sauce, I think. I am hurt, I am sped.

Go, Sirrah, fetch a surgeon.
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# WarningSharon S. Gaughan 2012-06-17 04:19
Carolyn Ann Grant, your comments veer toward personal insult. Mere disagreement does not automatically imply "hateful and hurtful" behavior. If you have facts that support this assertion, then by all means post them; discussion can then proceed in a more responsible manner.
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# Carolyn Ann Grant 2012-06-17 06:43
Meh. You're as tedious as the rest of 'em, Lisa. You've not said anything original, and you've proven that you're eager to discriminate on an arbitrary basis and aren't all that interested in equality, merely arrogance.

(So tell me, Sharon: if someone tries to get a rise out of others by derogatorily defining them, that's considered acceptable? But responding in a more direct and honest manner isn't?)

Anyhoo, I've got what I wanted. TS-SI.ORG is one of the trivial and inflammatory blogs that can be ignored as they add nothing to the discussion about equality and gender, preferring flamebaiting to actual opinion. I figured it would take until tomorrow to prove it, so thanks for being so quick about it.

BTW, Lisa - you might want to take a look at why I have that tagline on my blog. The information is in the left hand column. :-)
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# Carolyn Ann GrantSharon S. Gaughan 2012-06-17 07:36
TS-Si has a long and demonstrable record of explicit support for human rights and equality before the law. Moreover, we have always been a safe harbor for unpopular viewpoints, whether we agree with them or not.

And here is a very important point that bears repeating: a fair reading of the rise of transgenderism as an activist ideology shows it has been based, in part, on an attempt to co-opt the medical space of people born transsexual, redefining what is essentially a medical condition to accommodate unrelated sociopolitical initiatives.
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(So tell me, Sharon: if someone tries to get a rise out of others by derogatorily defining them, that's considered acceptable? But responding in a more direct and honest manner isn't?)
This is a question that is impossible to answer as it contains a questionable premise. There was no derogatory redefinition (depending on your perspective, of course) because of the reasons I gave earlier in this comment.

Finally, TS-Si is not now, nor has it ever been, a blog.
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# Pamela 2012-06-17 08:15
Well, You can also count on some cross-dresser to rise up and attempt to smear those that are Transsexual or Post transsexual. It must be a desire to cover their embarrassment over being seen in the opposite gender's clothing and when caught having to admit that their "sexual" package is STILL the one they were born with and that they have no desire to change it; They just want to play "let's pretend".

Liked the column as usual Lisa Jain; Please keep up the writing.
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# Pamela 2012-06-17 08:18
One of these days, all my fingers will learn to type and my brain will learn to more closely edit what I write to catch spelling errors and grammatical "mistkes".
Wish there was an "EDIT" button to allow you to go back and fix things.
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# Carolyn Ann Grant 2012-06-23 02:55
Yay! I couldn't remember where this discourse happened - and now I've rediscovered it. :-)

These clownish attacks upon transgendered folk happen so often, and are so similar it's hardly worth bothering where they happen or whom is doing the attacking.

Okay, Sharon, I'll buy that you're into equal rights. But only for some - not for people you don't like.

And, despite what you assert, I'm guessing you support unpopular views only if that view is one you agree with?

"This is a question that is impossible to answer as it contains a questionable premise. There was no derogatory redefinition (depending on your perspective, of course) because of the reasons I gave earlier in this comment. "

What questionable premise? Lisa deliberately seeks to get a rise out of someone in a particular group: " I await the clown car with my daily hate mail once transgender activists get hold of my central point and can't resist asking their typical clown questions." It's the first sentence of her rambling diatribe. She then imposes a definition upon an entire group - how does she know that *all* transgender people "[...] accepts — prefers even — the physical body and genitals with which they were born. All they wish is to live in a life role other than the one society expects, they do not wish to change their physical sex."? She tries to be "nice", but fails.

(BTW: Transgender is an adjective, not a noun. That much should be obvious. And I expect you knew that "a transgender" is used by a few transsexual women to derogatorily describe transgender people.)

Lisa actively seeks someone to respond to her, presumably so she can heap some more scorn upon them. I responded with honesty and directness, instead. And I notice Lisa hasn't exactly rejoined the conversation - perhaps she feels her ploy backfired?

You also back up her derogatory redefinition - it really does depend on whether you consider derogatory definitions to include insulting ones, I guess - with your own statement about something called "transgenderism ". And how it's co-opting some medical space from transsexuals. I don't buy the argument because it's flimsy, and I'll put it back on the shelf because I don't see any basis for it. Transgender and transsexual people are different. A transgender person can become a transsexual person, but I don't see how that's anyone's business but their own. Unless you, or Lisa, support the idea that someone's private medical procedure and personal life are subject to your scrutiny and approval because you don't like how they describe themselves? Would you like someone to subject your private medical history and your life to partizan innuendo, judgment and baiting?

If you object to how *some* transgender people are trying to redefine what it means to be transsexual, object to that. But your advocating and support of sweeping generalizations does you no favor. I might as well say, in response to Pamela, "it's a pity *all* transsexual women are like you, Pamela" - but I won't, because I know only *some* transsexual women are arrogant and pitiful in their conceit. And that's the difference - I don't care if you're the world's biggest supporter of equality. If you're lumping people into a group in order to define and despise all members of that group - you're not supporting equality at all.

I look forward to your response.
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# Carolyn Ann Grant 2012-06-23 02:58
(By the way: your comment form has some technical problems with the Safari web-browser. Or it might just be that my internet connection really doesn't like working. It doesn't return anything when "Add Comment" is clicked - the form doesn't change one bit!

I don't know if it's just my browser or if it's a problem with the form itself? Just thought you should know.)
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# Carolyn Ann Grant 2012-06-23 03:12
Just as an afterthought (sorry, I should have put this in my main reply!), it is a common rhetorical and political device to lump people into certain groups, especially if your purpose is to deride that group. I do it when I write about Tea Party politics - my intention is to deride the entire group, so I make no bones about lumping all Tea Party supporters together. Even though I know I shouldn't do that. When it comes to transgender and transsexual folk, however, it's necessary, I think, to avoid such lumping of people because it is so often a tactic for deriding entire groups. As Lisa's "definition" proves.
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# Enough alreadySharon S. Gaughan 2012-06-23 03:57
Carolyn Ann Grant, your statement is just plain wrong; it flies against ample and extensive evidence (going back for many many years) that I am a strong supporter of equal rights for all before the law. Whether I agree with the views of others or even "like" the people holding those views is beside the point.

Likewise your "guess" is just plain wrong and a calumny. Again, there is is ample and extensive evidence that I support the right of people to hold and state their views whether I agree with those views or not.

Educate yourself on the history before you make such accusations.
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# Browser IssueSharon S. Gaughan 2012-06-23 04:01
The Safari browser has posed difficult issues for years due to some of its standards non-compliant practices. However, we have workarounds installed that have ameliorated most all of the issues.

No other users have complained recently but I am willing to look into the matter.

Please go to the TS-Si contact facility and leave information on your browser version. We will take a look and see what might be the problem.
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# Pamela 2012-06-23 08:22
Strabge how they crawl out of the woodwork or some place lower, want to claim what is NOT theirs and slander those who may disagree with them. I'd say "Carolyn" is definitely one of the clowns, probably in many layers of makeup to cover the dark beard stubble and strapped tightly to hide the bulge below. I could go on, but what's the use; They are usually so wrapped up in "Let's Pretend" that reality can no longer penetrate and they think they aare the epitome of femininity. What a laugh.
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# Carolyn Ann 2012-06-23 10:28
It's just Carolyn Ann, Sharon.

Okay - if you *do* support equal rights for all, then why allow a post that is clearly combative and diminishing to be published? Would your opinion be the same if I wrote "Transsexual women hold themselves to be superior to transgendered people"? I wouldn't write that because it's derogatory and true only for some but not all transsexual women. But that's what you allow Lisa to publish on your website and then you're ambivalent about your support of such ideas?

Would you allow someone to post such a sweeping definition of gay men and lesbians? If not - then why is it okay to give voice to views that are antagonistic toward transgendered people? Because you don't like them? Or because some transgendered people are trying to redefine what transsexual means?

It's not about whether *you*, Sharon, are all about equal rights - it's about whether you can support the right of others to dispute aggressive derogation that is published on your website. I know I support equal consideration as well as equal rights. And isn't that what a lot of your argument is about? That because of some, all transgender people can be derided? I don't believe that for a moment. I do believe that you didn't stop to consider that Lisa's article was combative, derogatory to an entire group, intellectually suspect, lacking in philosophical rigor and not that good to begin with.

And as someone with over 30 years of customer service experience, no, I won't be contacting your website via the contact form. I've informed you Safari has some issues, it happens to be one of the most compliant browsers out there and I've informed you that there's a problem. I, petulantly perhaps, do not feel that my time is worth any additional explanation to you. My time is as valuable as yours, and I have clearly wasted my time here protesting what I saw as an article and writer I thought worth the time doing so. I am sorry you disagree about that and will not take up any more of your attention.

Good day,
Carolyn Ann
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# G'daySharon S. Gaughan 2012-06-23 11:20
All done then? We defend equal rights and free speech. Enough said on this topic. I think.
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# All doneSharon S. Gaughan 2012-06-23 14:07
The previous sequence of comments have been unpublished for violating the TS-Si Terms of Service. Put an end to it now.
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# I Don't Get ItRobyn 2012-06-24 06:44
So I fall under the transgender umbrella term. I have met cross dressers and drag queen or two - also transgendered. They are definitely different from me - a 12-year postop woman, but we all share some of the same societal and familial problems; not all, but some. And some who are transsexual can't afford SRS, medically or financially.

Sorry, but I just don't see the value of all the divisive fighting. Shouldn't we all be fighting for equal rights?
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# Equal Rights?Maggie 2012-06-28 00:47
Equal rights include the right to privacy. This is fundamental human right as is the right to form a family. These two rights gave women born transsexual who have undergone gender reassignment equality in Great Britain with other women who were assigned female at birth. Intention to undergo or having undergone gender reassignment is a protected characteristic in law. The use of transgender which includes a majority of men who have absolutely no intention of undergoing gender reassignment is a hypocritical political movement and deserves all the opposition it attracts.
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# Equal Rights?Cathryn 2012-06-28 04:39
Since when is it equal rights for someone to claim they can thrust me, completely against my own wishes, out of the catagory woman into some third gender political construct?

I am a woman, I fight for the rights of women... not men whether or not they wear women's clothes. That is the bottom line here. I was for transgender rights but they have, as a group, consistantly opposed my own rights.
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# I apologize for being Just a Bit Late to The PartyJust a Bit Late to The Party 2012-07-02 16:14
Frankly, I found Lisa's article quite entertaining. I also found her key definitions to have been quite accurate, informative and inoffensive. To wit:

"Transgender is a general term applied to men and women who vary from culturally conventional gender roles. They transgress the societal expectations of how a man or woman should properly talk, dress, and act."

>>What is hateful or derogatory about the above defintion?

"A transgender {person} accepts — prefers even — the physical body and genitals with which they were born. All they wish is to live in a life role other than the one society expects, they do not wish to change their physical sex. Often they are opposed to the mammalian sexual binary that the vast majority of us are born male or female (with very few of us born ambiguous)."

>>Again, wherein lies the hate and/or derision?

IMHO The "MOTO-MAMA in a dress" is the clown as evidenced by his openly aggressive bully tactics and bomb throwing. To wit:

"You're as tedious as the rest of 'em, Lisa. You've not said anything original, and you've proven that you're eager to discriminate on an arbitrary basis and aren't all that interested in equality, merely arrogance." ~MOMAINADRESS

"I've got what I wanted. TS-SI.ORG is one of the trivial and inflammatory blogs that can be ignored as they add nothing to the discussion about equality and gender, preferring flamebaiting to actual opinion" ~MOMAINADRESS

All I see from this dude is false accusations and utter distain and disrespect.

Good post, Lisa.
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# Evangelina 2012-07-04 10:16
The basic premise put forward by the antagonist in this little exchange is that it's ok for those who identify as part of the term transgender to co-opt transsexual to mean transgender but not ok for those who are simply women but who by accident of birth experienced the medical condition transsexual to insist they have no right to do that. When the objection is raised it becomes an act of hate or some prejudice that denies equality.

Each of those of us who have written consistantly about where the differences lay and why there are differences have been subjected too the same appalling attacks and accusations by the likes of Carolyn Ann Grant. Worse still, are the threats of "outing" if as a writer you chose to use a psuedonym. George Elliot, Acton Bell, Ellis Bell, George Sand, Boz. It's an endless list. However the quite vicious attacks proliferate around the net. One by one blogs that used to speak out on the same subject Lisa has just written about have vanished because the owners or writers have been threatened. I stopped writing because I became tired of the sort of rediculousnes exhibited here by Mr Grant. (I refuse to use female titles to which he is not entitled) His choice of underwear while riding around the parish is his affair, I simply couldn't care less. Have the grace to learn about a subject before trying to denigrate someone who has.

Evangelina
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