All The President Men: Who Is Best for HBS?

Diane

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:10:23 +0100

The context of my remarks was quite clear. Tabatha asked about HBS, etc. I responded within that framework. You quoted me me as saying: [quote]"...,we are all part of a common effort".[/quote] then went on to ask [quote]Hopefully that does not mean that 'all' encompasses transgender and the overwhelming number of them that are simply cross-dressers and usually fetishists.[/quote] Again, the discussion wasn't about that subject, but let me reitrate what I have said in this thread and elsewhere: Transgender is an essentially meaningless and destructive concept, one that has been used to divert us from HBS priorities. I said earlier [quote]Moreover, awkward alliances - such as GLBT - conflate dissmilar interests in ways that further mislead the public and deflect attention away rom those of us with genuine medical and legal needs. [/quote] At the least trnsgenderism is bad PR; at worst, it is a sorry excuse for thinking that misleads the public and minimizes the crisis of pre-op HBS-born in need of understanding, services, and support. The rest of your comment is a statement about your own thinking and passion. We welcome your participation. Sharon - Sharon S. Gaughan

Mrs.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:42:46 +0100

"...,we are all part of a common effort". Hopefully that does not mean that 'all' encompasses transgender and the overwhelming number of them that are simply cross-dressers and usually fetishists. Not me, not ever will I ever belong to that 'all' inclusionary club which by the way was not coined by Prince but by Hirschfeld. Prince and his cohorts promoted that term of wrong inclusion and they still do so thwarting the acceptance HBS with their false and angry denial of the strongly indicative research showing HBS to be other than the expression of TG dogma. Transgender are on one side of the street and HBS on the other...actually the opposite side of the universe. Diane - Diane Kearny

Tabatha, let's clear that up

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:40:09 +0100

Thank you for your comment and questions. I will try to deal with each of them in turn and conclude with an overall observation. [quote]My one question is why is a supposedly HBS site having anything to do with the LGBT Continuum???[/quote] We don't specifically mention HBS in our Mission Statement (stated on the header to virutally every page on the site). However, I get your point. To review, We are Dedicated to the acceptance, medical treatment, & legal protection of individuals in the process of correcting the misalignment of their anatomical sex, & supporting their transition into society. In general, we support proposals to establish the term "Harry Benjamin Benjamin Syndrome (HBS)" as the standard by which our birth condition can achieve credibility by the scientific community, medical recognition, and legal status. The term itself, HBS, is less important than the fundamental concept that is its referent. Terminology can change - it may well do so once the basic tenets and tasks are embraced by science, medicine, and law. In the meantime, we live in a world where certain terms are used interchangeably (such as "sex" and "gender"), while other terms become so all-encompassing (such as "transgender") they become essentially meaningless and easy prey for all kinds of self-serving claims and/or pubic phobias. Moreover, awkward alliances - such as GLBT - conflate dissmilar interests in ways that further mislead the public and deflect attention away rom those of us with genuine medical and legal needs. TS-Si and this site, TS-Si.org, operate within this context. If we refuse to acknowledge what is happening in the real world, we wil be consumed by it or, worse, utterly ignored. [quote]I was under the assumption this was a site for those of us born with a birthdefect that used to be called transsexualism ...[/quote] Actually, TS-Si.org is a site for anyone with a serious interest in the subject. Our readership is quite large and includes people from all walks of life: scientists, medical personnel, political figures, decision-makers of all kinds (including ordinary laypeople in search of clues). You may have noticed we have a great deal of information on this site that gets down to fundamentals. We unabashedly emphasize foundational matters: What are the underlying developmental mechanisms and medical issues of interest to HBS inquiry? What do the political decision makers face tht will affect how they set HBS as a priority? What is the conceptual and policy framework we must operate within? Is there anything we should know to just get on with life? Maybe have a little fun? And so on ... And - there are no makeup tips or glamor shots. We do, of course, address the more fundamental questions of human health and social interaction. [quote]... until a transvestite decided to coin a term so like it as to confuse the general public and therefore causing us to not be taken seriously by the public who now just assumes we are just one of "those sickos".[/quote] That is so over. In our opinion, blinkered reaction leads ultimately to isolation. We prefer a more positive - and assertive - approach. Harping on Virginia Prince may be good for parody and satire, but that subject is now more the province of social historians and largely useless for serious inquiry. Finally, it is worth saying that we readily understand that different people will have different approaches to solving the problem of HBS recognition. However, despite any disagreements on points of emphasis or tactice, we are all part of a common effort. - Sharon S. Gaughan

Espousing LGBT transgenderist propaganda:

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:55:23 +0100

My one question is why is a supposedly HBS site having anything to do with the LGBT Continuum???I was under the assumption this was a site for those of us born with a birthdefect that used to be called transsexualism until a transvestite decided to coin a term so like it as to confuse the general public and therefore causing us to not be taken seriously by the public who now just assumes we are just one of "those sickos". - Tabatha Basco

Sex Gender or someone's stand on what another person wears

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:52:05 +0100

Has Never entered into my decision on who i would vote for. I get accused a lot of "throwing my vote away" because I won't vote for the candidate who has blue eyes, has a vagina, screws around on his overachieving wife, or likes homosexuals. I vote for the person even if that means i have to write in his or her name. I voted for Dr Paul when he was on the Libertarian ticket, because he believes in what this country was founded on. I will vote for him again in November because frankly there isn't anybody who even comes close to dealing with this country's problems. Dr Paul would. So i have no choice but to ask for a write in ballot when i go to vote in November Y'all have a good weekend. - Sue

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Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:00:29 +0100

I thought I had better chime in, lest readers get the impression that there is no such thing as an HBS liberal. I will vote happily for Obama for too many reasons to relate here. On HBS and civil liberties in general, I will support a party that occasionally disappoints over one that enthusiastically preaches and promotes social control, theocracy, and discrimination. - Diana

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Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:49:48 +0100

I use to regard myself as a (shhhhhhh) Republican, but with the picking of Dole to run, the poor performance of Bush and then the nomination of McCain, I find myself glad that I registered as "No Affiliation" although the truth be told, I am a Conservative and I admired Ron Reagan as both the Governor of California when he took over a troubled state and put it in the black (although the dim-witted Democrat that followed him put it almost into bankruptcy)and I admired him as President. I am NOT a single issue voter so the only criteria will NOT be what "appears" to be good for HBS folk-- the Democrats are like the teen age boy "of course I'll still love you in the morning". By the way, the "Progressives" were the communists that gave the country, prohibition and the progressive income tax along with many social-welfare programs that were failures, the also took us off a gold and silver standard for our cash. I suppose I'll vote sadly for McCain, hopefully he'll pick a VP with a lot of business savvy ( Romney), but I'd be happy to see Conde get the nod, the best of three worlds, SMART, a Woman and black. Pamela - Pamela

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Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:41:03 +0100

Personally I being a Libertarian by nature if not by party registration am relegated to the lessor of two dislikes. I would rather vote for Paul as I did in the primary but he and I have the same chance of being elected president as the tooth fairy. My primary interest is not a selfish ideal nor a singular argument of who should be our next president but on the top of my list is our energy policy and our dependence on foreign oil especially when we have more oil available at home than all the reserves of those from whom we purchase petroleum now. Dig our own wells before we allow others to dig our graves is my mantra. And no, I am not against nuclear power plants and the ignorant argument against them. Ask the French about them if you need facts rather than idealistic gobbledygook. I have found over the years most of the help I received from politicians was given to me by conservatives. My congressman, who was a Conservative Republican went out of his way to facilitate my breaking down the barriers that confronted me after surgery. He even sent letters off in support of my legal attempts to change my documentation when no one had preceded me in establishing case law, not even Christine Jorgensen who lived in a neighboring town. I am not talking about the religious radicals that call themselves 'conservative' for they are self serving hypocrites for the most part. I am talking about people who represent the interests of this country and not follow the whims of the majority...people who understand our nation is a republic and not a democracy controlled by majority interests. I am talking about those who follow the dictates of the constitution and not the wants of special interest groups. I don't understand the transgender mindset to be honest. I only know that sex is determined by your genitalia and not by the clothes on your back. I do not need transgender representation to identify me and allow me special privilege to which I do not aspire. I simply want to be just like any other woman and enjoy the same rights and privileges. No, my identity is female and not a sub-set of any sexual orientation or trans forced inclusion. If a candidate is supportive of tg interests and their forced inclusion of me and others then I can only assume he does not support me at all. I do not vote for ignorant people. My opinion about who might be more sympathetic to the HBS anomaly would be Ron Paul but his chances are nil so in November I will probably and hesitantly vote for McCain. Not happy with the choice but...! Diane - Diane Kearny