Comments for Denying and Dismissing: What They Don't Understand at http://ts-si.org , comment 0 to 14 out of 14 comments http://ts-si.org Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:45:01 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_224 OK, cool, fine by me. This is not the article I want to discuss, after all. - Stassa Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:13:49 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_222 Please halt your aggressive comments. If you have a personal dispute it belongs elsewhere. On this site, please confine yourself to responsible discussion of the articles and associated issues. Sharon S. Gaughan Managing Editor - Sharon S. Gaughan Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:30:52 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_221 Yeah, link to that picture of myself playing with my "penis", Susan. Or the post where I identify as a she-male? You have to be high on drugs, right? I'm so gonna have your arse for spreading those stupid lies for me, shithead! - Stassa Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:35:07 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_180 Just a reminder: when posting a discussion of someone's views, brief but fair quotes are appropriate. Linking to an outside site can be acceptable (useful for reference or visuals). - Sharon S. Gaughan Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:49:23 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_179 You are exactly right, Diane, perfectly so. The current transgender mindset is a twisted combination of revisionist invention, tainted with downright ignorance. Take for instance a post I got on my blog today. It came from someone with the user name of Stassa. I followed Stassa's links to her two blogs only to read she self-defines as a she-male. One of her blogs has a nude photo of her playing with her penis. Read the post for yourself: http://enoughnonsense.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/misinformationthe-etiology-of-estrangement/#comments There was so much BS in that post I decided to let it speak on its own, as being representative of the bent transgender position...as an example. Never, will I cave to the perverse views of the transgendered. Susan http://enoughnonsense.wordpress.com/ - Susan Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:13:27 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_175 I am one of those heterosexual HBS born who had surgery over 35 yrs ago. Was even married for 22 yrs before my husband passed away. Although you may attribute my and other hetero's 'cut-out' remarks such as, "I am not transgendered. HBS men and women are not transgendered." being directed as being selfish and uncaring that is totally untrue. Yes, we make such statements and we have a right to do so considering the history and the elements within the transgender community. Transgender in its origin was coined as a social construct meant to camouflage the transvestite and never was intended to include the HBS/TS. So when we deny any association with that term we deny linkage to many who would rob us of our identity by our wrongful inclusion under that umbrella. And yes, I object to our being linked to the GLBT and for good reason. When all women are added to that acronym then I as a woman will accept being joined to it. But, as long as that lexicon denotes sexual orientation or gender variance then you will forgive me for wishing not to be identified in that manner. I am first a woman and my sexual interests should never be part of the description describing me or any other woman. My being a woman does not need a prefix like 'trans' or anything else to define me either. In addition, why would any woman want to be part of a grouping where the majority of its number mimic the opposite sex? Most of the transgender are actually transvestites so that becomes a bit testy for many of us to be identified with. And being classed as transgender does warp the thinking of others when dealing with what and who we really are. I do fight for the rights of HBS born but will never join any battle if forced to fly the transgender flag. Diane - Diane Kearny Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:05:04 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_174 We know a great many heterosexual post-ops. Not one of them say or imply your attributed statement "... then the heterosexual post-ops can shrug and say 'I've got mine and to hell with those who don't.'" In fact, many work hard on behalf of those who are serious about their transition and promote their eventual success. You and they may disagree on policy, but not on our shared humanity. - Sharon S. Gaughan Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:45:26 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_173 Cut out: "I am not transgendered. HBS men and women are not transgendered." Cut out: "Most "trans" issues do not affect our lives or political agendas." And lastly, cut out: "We just are not them and never will be." I've read this column with those phrases eliminated, and I would be in nearly100% agreement, though I do believe that even straight post-ops should be supportive of marriage equality for everyone. With marriage equality, there would have been no Kantaras, Gardiner, Littleton or even Corbett decision denying a post-op's heterosexual marriage validity on the basis that despite being post-op, and despite having a corrected birth certificate, they somehow "really" belong to their natal sex assignment - and these courts are great at citing junk science (like the 23rd chromosome pair thing) in addition to junk religion (as in the belief that God created us to belong to our initial assignment, and that our opposite sex identities are at best merely a crosss to bear whils remaining in that original assignment). Of course, there are those who take the position that the only thing they need to fix is to make sure the sex correction is legally binding for all purposes - and then the heterosexual post-ops can shrug and say "I've got mine and to hell with those who don't." Nice attitude - throwing stones when what they have is still a glasshouse. So it goes. Joann - Joann Prinzivalli Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:27:00 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_161 Yes, I know how you feel. We do not turn our backs on people - we just get on with life as it was meant for us to live. We are known about town by some, but it is no big deal. Here at TS-Si, we reach out to others, particularly those who are willing to do their part and keep moving on their own. For most of my life, having a HBS/TS history is not a factor at all. Bless. - Sharon S. Gaughan Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:51:17 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_156 "If in our initial stages we associate with the transgendered community, by a few years post-op we have disappeared into our lives, loves, and families. We leave the transgendered community not because we reject or condemn their choices but because we realize, as HBS men and women, we have so little in common with them." ... True, we have little in common with them. But both groups are human and we make many dear friends of all persuasions during that long, strange trip. One of the most difficult challenges IMO is to balance the joy and desire to live life fully (and yes with a degree of stealth) post transition and the melancholia of drifting away from friends, some of whom ultimately follow a different path. Just a thought. I agree completely with the main point of the article. - Diana Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:27:23 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_141 Be safe and secure in the face of such ignorance. Why do they think we transition to be whole and get on with our lives as we really are? What are their reasons and evidence for continuing pre-transition thinking once post-op? In reading the posts, do you get a sense of where the surgeon is located and the situations of the other participants? In any case, thank you for visiting. We always like to hear from our readers. If you have any suggestions for improvement, please let me know. Sharon - Sharon S. Gaughan Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:24:08 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_140 Some surgeons are better at being trans than they are being surgeons. - Lisa Thompson Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:18:41 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_139 You should see all the name calling and vilification I and several others get on a prominent surgeons yahoo group when we make this argument about having HBS in our past but no longer being "trans" anything; you'd think we were trying to murder the pope or something and they don't hesitate to call us "crazy" in need or therapy; in self-denial and all the rest. Of course they are all happy to be called "trans" and to snuggle with the GLB crowd. - Pamela Dunn Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:35:52 +0100 http://ts-si.org/content/view/2823/995/#pc_138 Thank you for this good article... - Kim Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:34:49 +0100